so let us start. i didn't want to make anybody seemed too old, but before the debate, before the debate between romney and obama did any of you honestly think that romney had a chance of winning this election and now do you think there's any chance that obama could lose this election? why don't we start with charlie? >> clearly president obama was ahead by -- but romney's numbers were underwater and was in really bad shape in ohio, michigan and pennsylvania so it was a longshot. now i would put it, i would still give obama the edge 60-40 and i would say watch ohio more than anything else. >> there still is a way for romney to win it. if he loses ohio it's tougher for him but he has clearly made that more possible by what he did in the debate. >> it is possible for romney to win and we discover that by looking state-by-state which is the reason that before the debate i would have said obama has -- romney has little chance and before the debate you saw him falling off a cliff in key states. heartening s